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Craig: So what are you working on, other than the class that you’re teaching and obviously it’s gorgeous today, it’s 80 in the middle of February and people want to go out and run. But aside from the obvious things you’d be working on, do you have a big painting project, a commission, or you’re trying to figure out how to move to Idaho and, I don’t know?
Jonny: Well, one thing that I should at least just mention, I feel bad that we’ve gone this whole podcast [00:25:30] without ever talking about it, is that I do work for Müv Magazine, which is a Parkour magazine. I’m the editor-in-chief at Müv.
Craig: Right, right.
Jonny: So that is a big project that we work on quite a bit.
Craig: So what’s your role there? Are you writing?
Jonny: I’m the editor-in-chief.
Craig: But yeah, that’s on the door. But like what do you actually do?
Jonny: Well the boring part is all the proofreading stuff, you know. Like pulling slightly better stories [00:26:00] out of first drafts, things like that. I do also write. I’ve got a handful of articles out there, and I’ve also done illustrations too, for other people’s stories. So anything that I like to do, I can do. It’s a very open forum there.
Craig: Yeah, I’ve heard of the project. Do you see that as a side project or is it something that you really see, like “This has a lot of potential, and I really think that we could do this and this and this” and you’re sort of just hamstrung for resources?
Craig: It’s both.
Jonny: Certainly both, yeah.
Craig: Oh well, [00:26:30] I tried…
Jonny: Because my life is a series of side projects. I never have a main project. I have too many projects to consider one the main. So it’s just another project. Unfortunately the real dilemma in Parkour is that almost no one makes a living from Parkour. We have a weird subculture that is a little bit resistant towards monetization. There’s a lot of judgment when that comes in, largely because it hasn’t been handled super well by the few groups that have made it to a larger scale.
So [00:27:00] we’ve had some bad examples, but I don’t think that that needs to happen at all, you know. You look at what’s going on in climbing right now and it’s amazing.
Craig: There are plenty of good examples we can find in the Parkour community. You can look at how they do it in France. People, that’s their full-time job is to run Parkour gyms and teach and it’s a completely legitimate profession. There are people here in the United States who say things about the tide is rising. People now, you can say the “p” word and the average citizen, 50-50 chance they know what you’re talking about now.
Jonny: Yeah! Exactly.
Craig: It’s just like, “Oh, this is so much easier.” And [00:27:30] they’re beginning to understand it’s a physical thing to them, it’s not very much of a deep thought. But they recognize it as a thing, so as soon as we know it’s a thing, then of course you get paid for it, because it’s a thing. How do you live. So yeah, I think we’re beginning to see maybe the United States catching up with the rest of the world in that sense.
Jonny: It would be a wonderful thing to see that happen because you look at almost any of those other subcultures like surfing or skateboarding or climbing and it’s fairly accessible to the average person. Most people of that age, [00:28:00] the average 15-year-old could pick up a TransWorld Skateboarding magazine and be pretty excited reading it whether or not they’re into skateboarding. It’s a peer into an exciting world that Parkour has, up to this point, been so fringe that most people don’t know, maybe, that there’s a lot of things they’d love to hear people talk about. This podcast is one of them. You know, I think this is broadly appealing to a lot of people whether or not they train. I think the same could be said of a lifestyle magazine.
Craig: So what do you see, since we’re talking [00:28:30] about the magazine, what do you see as an immediate need, like “If I had a dream, it would be that everybody listening went out and…” Submitted something? Or took a picture and sent it in? Or volunteered the …
Jonny: Yeah, for sure start with submitting. Because that was one of my main visions for it, was that it gives a voice to everyone. Up until now, we have sort of Facebook as the voice. Unless you have the, yeah exactly. You’re making a face like, “Good Lord, save me.” And that’s exactly the face that I make. Facebook is like a party that I don’t even want to be at. And I keep wandering back [00:29:00] in from the backyard going, “Why? What am I doing here?”
Craig: I call it Book Face. I hate being on Book Face. I do my best to keep up, but I’m falling behind.
Jonny: So that’s a terrible forum to give everyone a voice. And then the video thing is fairly inaccessible to a lot of people. Because you’ve gotta have the right equipment, you gotta know how to edit, you’ve gotta be out, in my opinion, ruining your training sessions to make videos. I hate filming during a training session.
Craig: We’re going out and we’re gonna videotape, everybody’s like, “No, I don’t want to go.” But yeah, you have to go out and do that on purpose.